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July 11, 2004

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bill

I've always viewed the adhering to the great commandment as something to be done after one is "saved", not the means by which one is "saved". Salvation is recieving the free gift of Grace from God--what he has accomplished for me through the person and work of Jesus Christ on the Cross through believing. Being Justified. Then I begin my life of discipleship and allow God to begin the process of transforming me. Becoming Sanctified. Part of that sanctification process is then living my life under his guidance, by his standard. A centerpiece of that is to live my life no longer just for myself but for God and with consideration for my neighbors--the great commandment.

D. C.

Bill, I'm afraid I can't see how your view can be reconciled with Jesus's command to go and do likewise. More generally, I have a different view than you about the mechanism of grace and salvation. I've never been able to subscribe to the notion that Jesus's one-time sacrifice was somehow enough to buy salvation for anyone who had faith "in" him. (See here for additional comments arguing that the proper translation is "the faith of Jesus.") Nor have I been able to grasp to the view that faith alone is what saves you, with no room for works. That has always struck me as a Lutheran overreaction to Roman abuses.

I speculate that what we call salvation may well work something like this: Faith and works feed on each other to produce grace, in the same way that two logs in a fireplace help keep each other hot enough for both to continue burning. I suspect that simply living the life of discipleship, however grudgingly, can lead gradually to a change of mind and heart: that is, to metanoia (the Greek term usually translated as repentance). This change of mind and heart can lead in turn to still more love for God and neighbor, often manifested in part as still more works, in a virtuous cycle. But as I say, this is sheer speculation on my part.

In any case, many thanks for the comment.

bill

D.C. I suspect that we would probably have to agree to disagree on what would constitute the assurance of salvation and modes by which one can live a hope-filled, joyful life of discipleship. My blessings to you as you continue your searching and questioning!

Michael Patrick

May I suggest reading about the "new" commandment Jesus gave his disciples? "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you..." (John 13,15) How does He love us? We need to die for others in perfect obedience to God the Father, and come out the other side to talk about it. Othewise it'll be in vain.

Wilbur H. Entz

Soul (eternal) salvation MUST be a eureka moment. It was for myself. It was for Martin Luther. Zane Hodges, author of Absolutely Free!, says that it is impossible to obey the great comandment unless one understands that salvation is by faith alone and absolutely free.

We see salvation as a eureka moment in other places like in Luke 5, where Jessus heals the paraplegic.

D. C. Toedt

Wilbur Entz, my response would have to be a variation on My Favorite Theological Question: How exactly does Zane Hodges presume to know — and what gives him the effrontery to declare — that supposedly "it is impossible to obey the great comandment unless one understands that salvation is by faith alone and absolutely free."

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