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June 12, 2006

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bls

I wish people would recognize that “And blessed be ‘God’s’ kingdom, now and forever,” is completely standard at this point, which is why you get "conspicuous unison" when it's recited. It's actually people who are bothered and/or bemused by it who are having trouble with "gender politics."

While the original intent may have been based in "gender politics," it's actually much more about mysticism than about anything else. It's about the general recognition and acknowledgement that God is not a boy - nor is God a girl, since you'll notice that the female pronoun is not used, either.

IOW, it's simply a nod to reality.

D. C.

bls writes: "I wish people would recognize that “And blessed be ‘God’s’ kingdom, now and forever,” is completely standard at this point ...."

I'd have to disagree. I've never heard "God's kingdom" in the opening response anywhere, including in some very liberal parishes in different parts of the country. The point of a Book of Common Prayer is to be able to walk into any TEC church and, if you happen to know the prayers by heart, participate from memory. We all "know" that God is genderless (quaere how we know that, incidentally). I wouldn't oppose a movement to change the BCP to be gender-neutral about God. But until that day comes, people should stick with the standard text. To do otherwise is to elevate gender politics over courtesy to visitors.

(I'm an equal-opportunity grouch on this point: It irks me that in the Rite II Habemas, my congregation still responds "We lift them up unto the Lord," when the text says "We lift them to the Lord.")

*Christopher

I've heard both ways said in the parishes here in the Bay Area, but mostly "God's Kingdom". Same goes for Oregon and Washington.

Given it's a Trinitarian formula of great richness, I'm surprised you're not more grated by that than a "God's" versus "His".

D. C.

Christopher, if I respond "and blessed be his kingdom," I'm not necessarily endorsing the trinitarian motif of the call. My beef with trads is that they insist on using trinitarianism as a line in the sand. I'd be thrilled if they would say simply, we think God is a trinity, but we acknowledge that we can never really know for sure, and we don't insist that you profess intellectual assent to it as a prerequisite to full participation in our group.

bls

I'd have to disagree. I've never heard "God's kingdom" in the opening response anywhere, including in some very liberal parishes in different parts of the country. The point of a Book of Common Prayer is to be able to walk into any TEC church and, if you happen to know the prayers by heart, participate from memory.

Well, I hate to mention it, but that horse is already out of the barn. "Enriching Our Worship" contains Church-approved alternate liturgies and is in use in many places with the Bishop's approval. (Probably yours doesn't!)

And of course, the "Book of Common Prayer" in England is the 1662.

bls

(In any case, the words on the printed page haven't changed, in the case of the Acclamation. Anyone's free to say "His," if they feel like it.

I'd agree with you - and personally I get burned up when the rector decides to change the liturgy himself and forces hundreds of people to go along with him whether they want to or not - except that this is a case of the sensus fidelium. This is something the people themselves are doing, and you can't get them to stop saying it, anyway.

People are correcting an error. We used to pray for the "perfidious Jews," too, you know....)

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