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October 25, 2004


It isn't just what Christ said that's important, though; it was His whole life. What He said, what He did, what happened to Him, how He inspired His followers after His death - all of it.

I think that applies whether you believe He was divine or not.

D. C.

Agreed - that all gets stirred into the pot. In the main posting, I was simply summarizing.

John wilkins

Jesus represents God. His faith describes the faith we aspire to. Jesus does not constitute God.

God, however constituted Jesus. He did not only constitute Jesus. He is constituted many different places. And God, of course, does not only represent "Jesus."

When we say that Jesus "represents" God we say that Jesus represents God's universal grace that redeems the world through love. "Jesus" in fact, for the Johannine community, was actually a code word for Love, a word that would have been recognized by those truly initiated into the community.


Contrary to Mr. Wilkins, the entire point of the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity is that Jesus does in fact constitute God. He doesn't just represent or symbolize or reveal God; he is God.

John wilkins

Well, more accurately, God is not only constituted by Jesus.

Bo Yan

John Wilkins,
would you let me know how I can find more about the Johannine community?


dear all,
you can read this

By - Yusuf Estes

Does the belief in Jesus, peace be upon him, as a ‘son of God’ really make sense?

What exactly does 'son of God' mean?

Can true salvation from God, be the punishment of someone else who is innocent from any of these crimes, to be punished as though he were guilty?

Does God need someone to suffer severe punishment, even though they are trying, day after day.

Did Jesus, peace be upon him, tell the people to take him as a god, or to worship him?

Let us find the answer to these and other important questions about the nature of Jesus of Christianity and Islam.

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