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December 31, 2007

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losing people is better than losing buildings

> WATERTOWN — - It was the last Sunday service at Christ Church. Unable to go "further in a church that continued in a false gospel," the entire congregation, including the rector and church leaders, will sever ties with the national Episcopal Church and reform under a new name.

> The church was founded under the Church of England in 1764.

> In cutting affiliation with the national leaders, the congregation has agreed to give up its church buildings and property, estimated to be worth $7 million, and its name, "Christ Church Parish." The congregation also ended its participation with the other Connecticut churches in a protracted legal battle against national leadership over church real estate, deciding that "it's not worth living under this oppression just for the property," said Paul LePine, the senior warden.

The slow death of the Episcopal Church continues. Enjoy the empty building, it's not a church anymore. The church was the people.

by, bye

Chicago's Episcopal Church of the Mediator closes doors after 129 years

Chicago Tribune
December 31, 2007

By 10:30 a.m., eight altar candles at the Church of the Mediator on Chicago's Southwest Side had been snuffed for the final time...the church that closed Sunday, ending 129 years of service.

The church closed because of dwindling membership, an aging congregation and the resulting financial constraints, leaders said. Average weekly attendance had dwindled to about 30 members, parish leader Mary Reich said.

The shuttering shrinks to 128 the number of Episcopal congregations in the diocese of Chicago...Church of the Mediator had been the first Episcopal congregation on the Southwest Side, according to the church Web site.

"We weren't ever able to build up a young congregation again. People leave. Many families die out," Reich said

"We've all failed because this should never have happened," Falk said.

Whatever happens, I want the dignity to stay, the integrity of the building," O'Shea said.

*LOL! Sorry, you don't get to choose, it'll be disco..*

Diocese leaders officially "secularized" the church Sunday. The future use of the building has not yet been determined, said Rev. Michael Stephenson with the Chicago diocese.

Episopalianismm...a dynamic, growing institution. Not. I wonder why? Oh well, at least they have lots of valuable buildings.

by, bye

Chicago's Episcopal Church of the Mediator closes doors after 129 years

Chicago Tribune
December 31, 2007

By 10:30 a.m., eight altar candles at the Church of the Mediator on Chicago's Southwest Side had been snuffed for the final time...the church that closed Sunday, ending 129 years of service.

The church closed because of dwindling membership, an aging congregation and the resulting financial constraints, leaders said. Average weekly attendance had dwindled to about 30 members, parish leader Mary Reich said.

The shuttering shrinks to 128 the number of Episcopal congregations in the diocese of Chicago...Church of the Mediator had been the first Episcopal congregation on the Southwest Side, according to the church Web site.

"We weren't ever able to build up a young congregation again. People leave. Many families die out," Reich said

"We've all failed because this should never have happened," Falk said.

Whatever happens, I want the dignity to stay, the integrity of the building," O'Shea said.

*LOL! Sorry, you don't get to choose, it'll be disco..*

Diocese leaders officially "secularized" the church Sunday. The future use of the building has not yet been determined, said Rev. Michael Stephenson with the Chicago diocese.

Episopalianismm...a dynamic, growing institution. Not. I wonder why? Oh well, at least they have lots of valuable buildings.

D. C. Toedt III

Whoever posted the first three comments is the same person using different names (but the same IP address). Knock that off or you'll be banned.

David H.

Wow, you've already allowed three, redundant propaganda postings ? You sir, have more patience than I... ;)

robroy

D.C., the discipline canon law simply does not apply to clergy of another province. The Dennis canon does apply. It states that property is held in trust for the diocese AND the the Church (by which one assumes the national church). The Dennis canon is thus conflicted. In a case where the diocese and the national church disagree, how would a secular court determine property issues. Most assuredly, the court would look to see whose names are on the deed.

Also, the Dennis canon was passed unilaterally. This is frowned upon in contractual law. One partner states that he now owns the property. That needs to be agreed upon by both parties.

Also, the Episcopal church is messing with fire. If a court does declare that the TEC is strictly hierarchal, you can bet the lawyers will be going after the diocesan and national church (the much deeper pocket), the next time a little old lady slips on the steps or an acolyte gets molested. And if they strengthen the Dennis canon, to read property is held in trust for the national church alone, this could really be a lawyer's dream.

Tom Smith

The constitution also states that the Episcopal Church itself is a part of the Anglican Communion. If the national organization (by whatever mechanism) ceases to be a part of the Anglican communion, does not the national organization therefore cease to be "The Episcopal Church"? And therefore has no claim to the property of diocese which remain within the Communion?

Tom Smith, thanks for the query, but what you're suggesting is not at all the case. I analyzed this in some detail in "The preamble to the Episcopal Church's constitution does NOT mandate Anglican Communion membership."

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